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| − | When I created this | + | When I created the original form of this page, I probably decided that ''n'' in ''n×m'' stands for the number of rows based on the convention for matrices. Now I wonder if that was a mistake, since MoHex (and also KataGo) will interpret ''n'' in "boardsize ''n'' ''m''" (which changes the size to ''n×m'' according to [http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~hayward/hex/WhatYouNeedToKnow.pdf Hex<nowiki>:</nowiki> Passing on the Torch]) as the number of columns. The matrix convention also doesn't match our use of board coordinates: "c" in "c2" determines the column. |
So, rather than attempting to fix [[GTP]] by claiming <code>boardsize ''n'' ''m''</code> changes the board size to ''m×n'', I think changing [[Parallelogram boards]] and other pages that followed its(?) convention might be the better solution. --[[User:Wurfmaul|Wurfmaul]] ([[User talk:Wurfmaul|talk]]) 06:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC) | So, rather than attempting to fix [[GTP]] by claiming <code>boardsize ''n'' ''m''</code> changes the board size to ''m×n'', I think changing [[Parallelogram boards]] and other pages that followed its(?) convention might be the better solution. --[[User:Wurfmaul|Wurfmaul]] ([[User talk:Wurfmaul|talk]]) 06:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
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| + | I think both conventions are in use. Fortunately, most of the time, the boards are rhombic, so the difference does not matter. I agree that the better convention is to be consistent with the a1 notation, i.e., columns before rows (or files before ranks, as in chess). As another data point: the SGF file format also specifies that SZ[10:11] means 10 columns and 11 rows. This is true for Hex https://www.red-bean.com/sgf/hex.html and also for other games https://www.red-bean.com/sgf/properties.html#SZ On the other hand, the <hexboard> format used on this wiki uses the convention <code>size="nxm"</code>, where n is rows and m is columns. This is difficult to change. | ||
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| + | I have updated the page to switch conventions. [[User:Selinger|Selinger]] ([[User talk:Selinger|talk]]) 19:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 19:42, 24 January 2023
Order of dimensions
When I created the original form of this page, I probably decided that n in n×m stands for the number of rows based on the convention for matrices. Now I wonder if that was a mistake, since MoHex (and also KataGo) will interpret n in "boardsize n m" (which changes the size to n×m according to Hex: Passing on the Torch) as the number of columns. The matrix convention also doesn't match our use of board coordinates: "c" in "c2" determines the column.
So, rather than attempting to fix GTP by claiming boardsize n m changes the board size to m×n, I think changing Parallelogram boards and other pages that followed its(?) convention might be the better solution. --Wurfmaul (talk) 06:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
I think both conventions are in use. Fortunately, most of the time, the boards are rhombic, so the difference does not matter. I agree that the better convention is to be consistent with the a1 notation, i.e., columns before rows (or files before ranks, as in chess). As another data point: the SGF file format also specifies that SZ[10:11] means 10 columns and 11 rows. This is true for Hex https://www.red-bean.com/sgf/hex.html and also for other games https://www.red-bean.com/sgf/properties.html#SZ On the other hand, the <hexboard> format used on this wiki uses the convention size="nxm", where n is rows and m is columns. This is difficult to change.
I have updated the page to switch conventions. Selinger (talk) 19:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
